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berlin_chic
25th September 2001, 02:07 AM
We met and married 1 1/2 years ago...at the time I was in no doubt that this was the man I wanted to spend the rest of my life with: he was kind, sweet, funny, handsome - all good stuff. But he also talked sense, like how people have successfull relationships because they know *how* to argue/talk etc. All this impressed me greatly because my parents had the most un-successful marriage in every aspect.

1 1/2 years down the line, I wonder if my husband has been replaced by some aliens. He is alternately aloof, angry, sarcastic and mean. Our daily life is a series of shouting matches filled with abusive language and pain. If I try to talk to him about how I am UNHAPPY with my reality, these are the responses I always get without fail:

- stop being morbid, depressive
- you should take some fun classes or something (as if that'll solve our problems in one swish, not that I have the money to try)
- you're stupid, you don't get it, you're a b*tch, etc
- a lot of head-nodding, yawning, eye-rolling, mocking laughter
- plain outraged anger, abuses, shut the f*ck up, etc

Also it doesn'T matter who started the fight, its always me who's trying to make-up, even begging and pleading, while he just "enjoys" it and makes b-grade movie one-liners at me, humiliates me as much as possible.

Today when I said:
You've changed - from how you were when we first met.
His response was NOT to ask "oh? in what way do u mean".
His response was: Shut the f*ck up, you a**hole (repeated xxx times), banging the door on the way out and saying "you can sleep on the couch tonight".
After some hours he came to me and said have I calmed down. I said it "wasn'T about calming down, its about figuring it out, and do you want to know how I think you have changed."
His Response? Read above, it was a repeat performance.

This is his typical reaction when I say anything that is out of his list of approved ways to feel/say...:(

I'm not completely innocent - when he abuses me I fall right into the trap of cussing him out as well. So he gets stuck on that and we never get round to discussing the *actual* problem.

I'm scared that our "marriage" is turning into a farce, and close to a breaking point. Fighting has become a daily affair. I feel unmotivated, tired, ugly, loser-like, frustrated.

Its pointless for me to read articles that show the way to understanding yourself and the relationship if he doesn't want to do the same - Even though I tried (successfully) to manage my anger and stupid personality problems, when he doesn't follow up on his promise to do the same, I fall back into the trap of shouting-match. ITS HARD TO DO IT ALONE!

Please help me - I don't know what to do...I'm married to a brick wall. He says he wants to improve things, that he loves me, but there's NO FOLLOW UP on the WORDS!!!

I'm 27, he's 29 and I wish we were enjoying our married life more!!

Please help if you know something! My german and financial situation isn't good enough to go to counselling here in Berlin, Germany!!

Been There
25th September 2001, 11:16 AM
You say you've only been married 1 1/2 years, correct? Well, I hate to say this, but he will never change. My marriage also started out that way. It's now 15 years later and we argue about the same things that we did 14 years ago - his lack of attention and respect.

We also get into the shouting matches almost exactly as you describe, the swearing, cussing, his laughing and mocking me. I am also always the one who has to ultimately makeup or say I'm sorry, or I'd get the silent treatment.

I too have tried everything, counseling, books, marriage seminars, etc. He has refused to participate in any way, shape or form.

I am trying to focus on the positives in my life, and possibly some of the positives in my husband. Although this isn't a "cure all" by any means, it does help day-to-day life.

Who knows, you may find so many positives about your husband, you may fall in love again.

Kate
27th September 2001, 05:31 PM
Dear Berlin chic,

Do you really have no clue how and why things changed between you? Was it sudden or gradual, did something change in your circumstances that put pressure on you? How long have you been living abroad - that can put pressures on as well.

Although you don't mention violence there are some helpful articles about the different forms of abuse that can happen here (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/marriageclinic/womenrisk/). The Marital First Aid kit (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/marriageclinic/marfirstaid/) is also helpful.

Finally we do have one group that offer on-line counselling (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/php-bin/jump.php?linkid=33) which might help you if you are abroad.

I know you say what's the point if he won't change, but he may change, if he finds the motivation and skills to do so. For your part, don't you think that understanding our own response to the situation and what is going on does empower us to make a difference in a relationship. And of course it helps us to simply cope with life and find a way forward and decide what we want for the future.

I do hope you can find a way forward.

berlin_chic
11th October 2001, 11:51 PM
Dear Kate,
Thanks for your help - i mean even if I can't seem to change anything right now, it was helpful reading material and clearly defined some things I was muggy about.
The problem is the lead time between the first symptoms of my husband getting aggressive and his actually doing so (scaring me with feigned attack, or actually hurting me) is very very short - leaving me little time to be smart and calm the situation down. I get panicked coz i know its goin to hurt, and I scream, then he gets madder coz I scream and clamps down my mouth, cutting off my air, and hurting me.

The times we've spoken about whatever and he has been "sorry", those memories seem to evaporate after a few weeks, and he just repeats whatever again...then there is a fight..and so on.


I'm just really sad coz he's good 90% of the time, but this 10% is making me very hopeless...if it could be solved, then it would a good relationship.

i wish i had some friend in this ******* country.
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Originally posted by Kate
Dear Berlin chic,

Do you really have no clue how and why things changed between you? Was it sudden or gradual, did something change in your circumstances that put pressure on you? How long have you been living abroad - that can put pressures on as well.

Although you don't mention violence there are some helpful articles about the different forms of abuse that can happen here (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/marriageclinic/womenrisk/). The Marital First Aid kit (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/marriageclinic/marfirstaid/) is also helpful.

Finally we do have one group that offer on-line counselling (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/php-bin/jump.php?linkid=33) which might help you if you are abroad.

I know you say what's the point if he won't change, but he may change, if he finds the motivation and skills to do so. For your part, don't you think that understanding our own response to the situation and what is going on does empower us to make a difference in a relationship. And of course it helps us to simply cope with life and find a way forward and decide what we want for the future.

I do hope you can find a way forward.

Kate
13th October 2001, 08:21 AM
If you are experiencing domestic violence however repentant he seems afterwards then surely you need to seek help. The UK organisations (http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/marriageclinic/womenrisk/) on the site might have contacts in Germany.

From the press I have seen that there are women's refuges in Germany which suggests there must be support organisations and I also saw a quote on domestic violence from the Housewives Trade Union in Germany - they have English speaking people working for them if you look here (http://www.sophia-net.org/english/INITIATIVES/die06.html#orga). Don't worry that the subject of this webpage isn't directly relevant to your situation, but you could try the English speaking contact.

The other place to go is your doctor.

Whatever listening support we can give here, you need someone you can turn to who is a bit closer to where you live. I hope that this helps to get you some advice and contact with English speaking people.

With best wishes

Kate

berlin_chic
15th October 2001, 11:30 PM
Thanks Kate

Dave
16th October 2001, 12:37 PM
This organisation in Germany has been brought to our attention and may be able to help you - ProFamilia (http://www.profamilia.de/bv_engl_inhalt.html) - it runs counselling services.