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Carol63
23rd April 2007, 03:16 PM
Hi All. I found this site by chance and have spent the last several days reading lots of your posts. It's great to see how you all support each other through your trials and tribulations. I have my own dilema and I'm not sure what to do next. Here's my story. It goes on a bit but I wanted to give you a reasonable picture of my circumstances.

I've been married for almost 17 years (together for 23). We have two daughters aged 8 and 6. Looking back we've never had a perfect marriage - who has? - but I realise my H has never been the caring sharing sort I wanted. Our marriage has been slowly deteriorating for years now. When we disagree we usually start with a short but heated argument and end with silences. Sometimes they'd last hours or days, more recently for weeks. We're both stubborn and neither of us wants to make the first move to make up afterwards. Currently we haven't spoken properly since the Christmas holidays unless something urgent needs saying.

H is obsessed with golf. He plays at least three times a week, including the whole weekend. He is a night worker so has time during the days as well to play. I work full time with a commute to London and as soon as I get home he offs to bed for some more sleep while I have to take over child care, cleaning, housework, getting kids to bed, getting their school stuff ready, so on and so on. H seems to want to lead the life of a bachelor. He comes and goes (usually to golf) without consulting me whether it's convenient. Just adds the next game to the calendar. He gets back at me in other ways too. We have a family car and he has a work car. The family car is kept garaged but it's a very tight fit in the garage and because he is also obsessive with keeping it clean and in mint condition, I'm terrified of trying to drive it out of the garage in case I scratch it. Hence I never drive it unless he gets it out first (i've been on the end of his wrath before when I've scuffed the alloys). When he goes golf he deliberately leaves the car in the garage, knowing I'm too scared to get it out and meaning I've no transport unless I want to battle busses with the kids. I guess it's a control thing. BTW, our latest silence started when he came home from a golf game and had a go at me for not putting on a load of washing!!! I had actually been out all day with the children as it was the Christmas holidays.

Well, this weekend I'd had enough. I asked if I could have the car out on Sunday and he said no. He didn't have to leave until 10.30am for golf so I just grabbed my bag and said 'bye then!' and left him with the kids. He shouted that he was leaving at 10.30 and I replied "you know what - tough!" I went out for a little while but was back by 10.45am. He left straight afterwards. This morning I got up to find a note saying "I will not take the kids to school or collect them until things change". BTW, I get up and get the kids ready and he does the school runs because of our work patterns. I find this note such an immature action! Why could he not say 'we need to talk' or approach it a different way? If he really was to stop doing school runs, I would lose my job - where would that get us, apart from more into debt than we already are! I've been thinking for the best part of a year now whether I'd be better off leaving him. I really don't have any feelings for him any more. However, we have a house that's extended but not finished so it would probably be hard to sell, and lots of joint loans etc that need paying off. I worry about what I would do if we split. I could not maintain my current employment as a single parent. It's the worry of the unknown I suppose and starting again. I know without a doubt that it would not be an amicable divorce and H would play as dirty as possible.

Oh another thing. He's arranged to go on a golf holiday to Spain for a week in May. I told him at the time I didn't want him to go (we cannot afford it) but he booked it nonetheless.

I guess I'm just looking to hear any advice or for your thoughts.

Thanks for reading.
Carol

David H
23rd April 2007, 03:37 PM
I've been married for almost 17 years (together for 23). We have two daughters aged 8 and 6.

I guess I'm just looking to hear any advice or for your thoughts.


Hi Carol

Please tell us how old you both are....

David

Carol63
23rd April 2007, 03:39 PM
Hi David,

I'm 43, H will be 42 next week.

Carol

David H
23rd April 2007, 04:01 PM
Hi David,

I'm 43, H will be 42 next week.

Carol

Thank you, Carol

I'm 53 and recently my relationship of 18 years with my g/f has come to an end.

Apart from anything else, this has set me off on something of a voyage of discovery and introspection about myself and my g/f.

I have discovered so many things -- I strongly suspect I have been undergoing a mid life transition and indulging in depression masking behaviours such as workaholism, spending, emotional withdrawal, etc.

I suspect this has been going on with me since at least 1999....

I suspect your H is going though his own MLT and has emotionally withdrawn and is using his interest in golf to "self-medicate" his unhappyness. Chronic irritability is another symptom of a male MLT (or just a grumpy bar steward...!)

A mid life transition (MLT) becomes a mid life crisis (MLC) when destructive self-medicating behaviours are used -- such as affairs...

Unfortunately the distinction between MLT and MLC is often not drawn and the whole spectrum is lumped under MLC!

BTW I suspect my MLT triggered my (ex)G/F's MLC!

OTOH, your relationship may just be in a rut, in which case you may find Dr Harley's website of interest:
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3000_intro.html

Some MLC links:

Another possibility is that your H is having a male midlife crisis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-life_crisis
http://midlifecrisisforum.com/6/ubb.x?s=3106003104
http://www.pathpartners.com
http://fortysixty.invisionzone.com/index.php?act=idx
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=28&page=1
http://lifetwo.com/production/node/20060824-types-of-midlife-crisis

Not everybody has a Mid Life Crisis -- most people go through a Mid Life Transition. About one third cannot cope with the MLT and it becomes a crisis. "MLT becomes a MLC when it takes on the "self-medication" of affairs, rampant spending, and other such unwise and hurtful behaviour."
MLTs/MLCs are triggered by some life-altering event such as the death of a parent, loss of an important job, onset of menopause, etc; even your children growing up and leaving home... "Empty Nest Syndrome"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_nest_syndrome
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth/features/ens.htm

David

callow
23rd April 2007, 04:46 PM
Hi Carol

Your H sounds a bit like mine, although mine was not controlling.

I can't say much really, as I do not think your husband is going to change. He obviously has no wish to do so. He likes life the way it is with someone to look after him while he does what he likes.

You are the one who has control over your life. Use this website http://www.entitledto.co.uk/ to see what government help you would get if you were on your own. You only need to work 16 hours a week to get Working Tax Credit.

All the best

Sally

Carol63
23rd April 2007, 05:47 PM
Thanks Sally and David.

H lost his mother 2 years ago and that exacerbated his already unreasonable behaviour. I'm sure he's in a kind of depression but won't do anything about it because as far as he's concerned he's a perfectly reasonable person and I'm the one with all the problems ! Sally you are so right when you say he likes things as they are. He wants someone to look after his needs but doesn't want to put any effort into looking after mine. I'll take time to look at all the links you've forwarded. Thanks for your replies.

Carol

David H
23rd April 2007, 06:29 PM
Thanks Sally and David.

H lost his mother 2 years ago and that exacerbated his already unreasonable behaviour. I'm sure he's in a kind of depression but won't do anything about it because as far as he's concerned he's a perfectly reasonable person and I'm the one with all the problems ! Sally you are so right when you say he likes things as they are. He wants someone to look after his needs but doesn't want to put any effort into looking after mine. I'll take time to look at all the links you've forwarded. Thanks for your replies.

Carol

Carol, dear lady, you cannot fix him, you can only fix yourself.

And this is not about you! It is about his own internal struggles/conflicts.

This is classic stuff -- I had this from my (ex)G/F in MLC -- I was all about me -- I was making her unhappy -- so she went off and got herself an OM -- I broke all contact with her because she was fence-sitting/cake-eating -- she told me she and the OM had a "wonderful relationship and loved each other" so one would expect her to be radiantly happy with her new R and new life -- instead she appears utterly miserable and ill...

So clearly I wasn't making her unhappy and clearly the OM and the R with the OM is not making her happy either.

The problem is internal to themselves and it makes them very unhappy and confused -- this is "the fog". Eventually some realise and recover.

There are stages to an MLC, see attached file....

David

David H
23rd April 2007, 06:40 PM
H lost his mother 2 years ago and that exacerbated his already unreasonable behaviour.

I suggest it converted his MLT to an MLC

I would suggest it is a crisis now because his reactions/behaviour is perhaps putting your marriage into crisis....

I think I know what Marcus would say; and I'm sorry to say that perhaps you should prepare yourself for the existence of another woman or two -- he certainly has the opportunity....

Also you working days and H working nights creates rather a fundamental incompatibility between you which will always represent somewhat of a practical hurdle...

David

Carol63
23rd April 2007, 07:37 PM
I can say with 100% certainty that there is no ow. His golf is his ow! He is so completely obsessed with it. If he isn't playing it, he's watching it on tv, looking up equipment on the PC, or reading about it in the hundreds of golf mags he has. I have to admit he is very good, with a handicap of 1. The better he gets, the more he wants to play. He is driven to win and has been playing since he was a boy. He belongs to a good golf club (more expense!) and is now on a lot of the club teams. He wants to keep up with the other players but they are all company directors etc and can afford to spend all their time/money on playing and equipment and holidays. He does have the time, and the opportunity, but I'm very sure that's not where he puts his energies. The ironic thing is, before we had our kids, he used to criticise a neighbour of ours who is a father of three and used to spend all his time playing golf or going to football and never spending time with his children. Now he has virtually turned into that person. I feel sad for our children and all that he is missing. Here's another thing.... we spent 8 years, had fertility treatment and suffered a miscarriage before our first daughter came along. We were convinced she would be our only child. When I became pregnant the second time, he was so shocked he asked me to have an abortion, because he felt he couldn't love another child as much as the first one. I think that's when the rot started to set in.

Carol

Carol63
23rd April 2007, 07:40 PM
I don't think I mentioned before...this morning after getting home from work, he'd left a note saying "I won't take the kids to school or collect them again until things change". That's the level of his maturity. No 'let's talk about things', just a childish ultimatum that, if he went ahead with, would cause me to lose my job. How on earth would that improve matters??

Carol