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David H
2nd April 2007, 07:57 PM
Regular readers may remember that my g/f of 18 years walked away from our relationship just after Christmas (moving with our 10-year-old son, to a nearby town where she owns a pokely little 1 bed ground-floor flat) saying that she was "seeing somebody else" and giving me a big list of all my deficiencies that justified her doing this...

Making the comment to me "I think I am having a mid life crisis..." Telling me "he makes me feel so good about myself..." etc, etc. About as selfish and as self-centred as you can get..

Having had therapy since the end of January, reading loads of the right books, doing the right kind of keyword searching via Google I was able to establish that I had a codependent personality (an emotional disorder caused by having a very unloving and miserable childhood, having been abandoned by my mother when I was 4 years old..). I.e. A Giver or Caretaker

I was also able to establish that my g/f took the role of counterdependent i.e. a taker

This was all confirmed by my psychotherapist... who knew this all along but needed me to find this out and to accept it..

However I also identified a lack of empathy in my g/f and a fear of intimacy and I wanted to find another word to characterise her so that I could use that word as a keyword in Google as "Counterdependent" wasn't yeilding much of any insight for me...

I had a book delivered from Amazon by Susan Peabody called "Addiction to Love -- overcoming obsession and dependency in relationships" and I found the characterisation of my g/f I was looking for...

I now have to go into a painful recovery program because I am a love addict like a drug addict or an alcoholic. After the Recovery chapter in Susan Peabody's book, there is a chapter "Starting over again" and there is a caution to avoid certain "personality types that trigger addictive behaviour"

"The worst personality type for love addicts is the narcissist. Narcissists are unavailable because they are terrified of engulfment (intimacy). Pia Melody in her book, Facing Love Addiction, calls these people 'avoidance addicts'. Because they are unavailable, narcissists always trigger the love addict's fear of abandonment, which then trigger's the love addict's addictive thinking and behaviour. These two types of people bring out the worst in each other."

She then gives two tables -- one matches me as a codependent and the other clearly characterises my g/f as a narcissist.

Futher research last night gave me much, much more about narcissists and I can recognise many characteristics of my g/f there.

A narcissist is totally selfish, lacks empathy and is in permanent denial -- 75% of them are male -- the females (non-cerebal) use sex to rope in a suitable dependent man into a "relationship"... Just as I was 18 years ago -- the sex was great, though!!

Again, this has been confirmed by my therapist today, and I realise that a narcissist cannot be cured or changed.

So, I did entertain the notion that I could sort myself out and my g/f and myself could reunite, but in view of what I have learned, I have had to accept today that I can never again have a relationship with my g/f..

That is a very hard thing to accept -- but I have obtained the insight -- come to understanding -- and based my decision on that understanding with insight -- a decision made without any emotional input. I know I am doing the right thing here.

In fact by doing what she did, she has actually set me free from a very unhealthy relationship where she was essentially an emotional vampire feeding on everything I was able to give her. If only I could have come to this realisation 15 years ago -- I could have walked away then..

In a later follow-up to this post I will describe how she has "traded down" and found another person in the town she has moved to use as a dependent.

David

More on Narcissists:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/FAQ/1804
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq_index.html

Hopeful0788
3rd April 2007, 01:09 AM
David,
Wonderful book. I too am in your situation. I read that book twice. I appreciate very much your link as I had not realized that was what my husband is but I do now after reading several of the Q&A on that link and looking at a couple of other resources. I knew long ago that I should have ran but I just thought maybe I could love him enough (I am a codependent fixer) to make him better. Your post has helped me tremendously. Thank you.

David H
3rd April 2007, 08:47 AM
David,
Wonderful book. I too am in your situation. I read that book twice. I appreciate very much your link as I had not realized that was what my husband is but I do now after reading several of the Q&A on that link and looking at a couple of other resources. I knew long ago that I should have ran but I just thought maybe I could love him enough (I am a codependent fixer) to make him better. Your post has helped me tremendously. Thank you.

Yes, I only realised this at the weekend and recognised the situation as "hopeless" -- I wish I had come to that conclusion 15 years ago -- would have made life a lot easier -- I'm 53 tomorrow and I would have found it easier being in the situation I'm in now at the age of 38!

I can also see that she has made her adult daughter an N as well! That makes me wonder how my 10-year-old son will fare...

David

Mike56
3rd April 2007, 10:22 AM
A narcissist is totally selfish, lacks empathy and is in permanent denial -- 75% of them are male -- the females (non-cerebal) use sex to rope in a suitable dependent man into a "relationship"... Just as I was 18 years ago -- the sex was great, though!!


Fascinating - I see many resonances.

Query - IF Ali is within this category, accepting she may have moved on to another SoS with the b/friend (her boss - which would seem to tie nicely), I take it that might account for the toal lack of any contact from her at present. Her SoS is still feeding her.

However, when that ends - - -

I saw Ali on Saturday, and actually ended up fixing a weed sprayer for her and then spent an hour spraying the weeds at her barn! We had a chat and a coffee and off I went, having had a word of thanks and not even an offer of a get together.

But in turning the conversation round (with the ref to Ali) am I not also demonstrating narcissistic tendancies?

Happy Birthday for tomorrow - this is an interesting voyage of discovery.

Mike.

David H
3rd April 2007, 11:04 AM
Fascinating - I see many resonances.

Query - IF Ali is within this category,

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq58.html

... accepting she may have moved on to another SoS with the b/friend (her boss - which would seem to tie nicely), I take it that might account for the toal lack of any contact from her at present. Her SoS is still feeding her.

However, when that ends - - -

SoS?

We are talking about the N's need for a primary Narcissistic Supply

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq10.html
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq28.html

They also have Secondary sources of supply for if/when the primary one is unavailable...

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq43.html
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq44.html

I saw Ali on Saturday, and actually ended up fixing a weed sprayer for her and then spent an hour spraying the weeds at her barn! We had a chat and a coffee and off I went, having had a word of thanks and not even an offer of a get together.

But in turning the conversation round (with the ref to Ali) am I not also demonstrating narcissistic tendancies?
Mike.

Well we all have N qualities, particularly if we are trying to "love ourselves more" as we are supposed to do.

Most of the stuff about N I've seen is really referring to the severe N state which I am not seeing in my G/F. For instance, I don't see the Grandiosity or the Path lying at all.

However, the point of all this for me is the realisation that I cannot ever have or build a new relationship with this person. That was what I had been hoping for, as you know.

I'd been hoping to fix myself, build a new relationship with her and then encourage her try to fix herself...

However, I'm really pleased to have found the answers I was looking for -- makes the future easier to deal with..

I point you again to the 2 FAQ's I posted:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/FAQ/1804
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/faq_index.html

David