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Pandy
30th March 2007, 02:10 AM
Well folks, I have just hit absolute rock bottom. Some of you know who I am...

My wife's birthday on Tuesday was a bit tense with the messaging on here, but yesterday everything hit a new low and went from bad to worse. I think a little history is in order.

The reason we're here is because I had a short-lived ridiculous affair at the beginning of 2006. My wife took it particularly hard because the one person who had always been the one to support her through bad times was the one who betrayed her. We had previously lived through me convincing her she was not in any way responsible for a serious sexual assault that happened to her when she was 14, stopping her self-harming, and 14 miscarriages. We have 3 beautiful children now and of our almost 18 years together have been married for nearly 11. Our relationship has always had its stormy moments, but these were well behind us and we were moving into the future after having accepted Christianity into our lives. I feel there was always some guilt in my mind about our past though - how I'd treated her, how we related, how much support I'd actually given her when things were really bad.

I spoiled it all by having a short-lived affair at the beginning of 2006. It was something that I think was down to the background guilt and a release from that, but also the misguided notion on my part that I was helping someone - and feeling worthwhile because of it. It has been so long since I've been able to do that for my wife. It went too far, there's no excuse. I realised my mistake eventually and together my wife and I tried to start again - she accepted me back. We went to joint counselling, then individual counselling, but have reached a point one year on where my wife cannot appear to accept that a mistake was made and put it behind her, and that all I want is my life with her and our children.

Recently things have been going reasonably well - we got a new rescue dog and seemed to be getting over some emotional hurdles. Because of our past history though, it is difficult for me to recognise what needs my wife has. I understand she needs attention and to feel loved, but it is difficult to separate that from abusive name-calling, and endless questions repeated over and over on the same topics about the affair. I simply don't know what to actually do sometimes, what is expected of me, which leads me most of the time to do nothing and simply focus on the practical side of things - like work.

I know this is all my fault and I accept that. I should never have done what I did.

But now it's gone to a whole new level.

In an attempt to show my wife the attention she had been asking for, yesterday morning in bed we were enjoying a cuddle and I was stroking and loving her. Until she said it was only because I wanted s3x. I could sense an argument coming so I rolled over and left it - to then start receiving torrents of verbal abuse. I asked her to stop and leave me alone. She went for a shower and I started doing the family ironing in the bedroom.

She came to the door and started to argue with me again, I asked her to stop (stupidly said "talk to the hand") and she left. She came back a few minutes later and started again. I was doing the ironing and had the iron in my hand - I turned and gestured for her to please leave me alone and said I didn't want to argue.

She went back to the bathroom and sat on the floor in front of the mirror to do her make-up and straighten her hair. I let a few minutes pass and went through, crouched down, put my arm round her and said I was sorry and that I didn't want to argue... she pulled away, turned round with hair straighteners brandished and said "go away psycho". I went, and as I did I unplugged the straighteners and tossed the plug behind me, in front of her, where it hit the cupboard door and landed on the floor.

I went downstairs to get my bike gear on to go to work, and said goodbye to the children. She had come down to the kitchen, and again started giving me verbal abuse from the kitchen, in my sight, at the back door. I was in the dining room and I turned and shook my fist at her (as one would a driver that has just cut you up) and asked her again to leave me alone. I was thankfully then able to leave. At no point during any of this did I touch her.

I messaged her in the morning apologising and saying that I hated arguing with her. No reply. I emailed later, no reply. I got home at about 8:30, nobody in the house. Messaged her asking where she was, no reply. Messaged again asking if she could let me know what was happening before I started phoning hospitals. No reply.

10 o'clock, knock at the door. Two policemen. Arrested me for assault on the basis of allegations made by my wife. I think they may have actually been made by a busybody friend of her's at school who happens to be the community liaison officer. (Added - been thinking about this and it's almost like there has been deliberate embellishment of the circumstances to meet some objective when discussions with this woman took place, with which my wife has gone along...)

The allegations were pure lies and exaggerations. I had, apparently, held a hot iron within one centimetre of her face. Pure lie. I had apparently thrown a plug directly at her, injuring her shoulder. Pure lie. There was no injury as my solicitor later told me. And, most fantastically of all, I had allegedly, downstairs, thrown punches at her (which had of course never hit any target).

So I get arrested for assault for trying my best to avoid an argument! I have been bad but this is pure evil! I understand she has even decided to support the charges (ie not drop them). I spent almost 20 hours in a prison cell before being interviewed and getting the opportunity to tell my side. At which point I am released on bail, unable to go to my house or contact my wife. I have to go back to the station in two weeks to find out if charges are to be brought (because I expect they couldn't given the lack of ANY injury or evidence whatsoever!). This is more than likely a cooling down period so the police know nothing is going to "happen", but it's totally surreal! It seems you can pretty much make any allegation, however unsubstantiated, about anyone, causing them to be arrested and held for up to 24 hours.

I believe this was motivated by revenge, and possibly the fact that my wife has recently expressed disappointment that she didn't divorce me for adultery within 6 months, thus losing that chance and the chance to name the op in the course of proceedings. Perhaps she's decided that this was the only way she could gain the upper hand morally and get rid of / divorce me. But it's so extreme, and could now mean me losing my livelihood (I was unable to contact work throughout the day today) and is totally uncalled for.

A few weeks ago she was in a period of anger, and it appeared to me that the only way I could contain her anger was by letting her vent it. I knelt on the floor and closed my eyes and said she should hit me. I begged her to hit me to get her anger out. She punched me around the head, neck and shoulders for a bit and went away. I tried to go to sleep on the couch downstairs and a couple of hours after this she came down and said she was ashamed of herself and was sorry for what she'd done. Did I call the police? No, I know this is all my fault and despite a REAL physical assault she is my wife and I love her. I only want to be with my family. I am talking to the forum here, this may shed a little more light on a situation some of you are already slightly familiar with, but I need your feedback because I am desperately trying to deal with, and help my wife deal with, what I've done wrong. I just want to be with my wife and family, but is it worth this???

On here you read the nice side of certain people and the bad side of others, but you need to understand there are two sides to every story, and history you can't possibly comprehend unless you've been there. Some people have a completely inexplicable evil side which causes them to do things like this to people they profess to love (much as I did, I know, admit and accept that).

marriedbrunette30
30th March 2007, 06:24 AM
whoa,heavy story.
I can really understand your wanting to keep your family and marriage together...but it seems like that might be a bit hard. Your wife has alot of anger,and it would seem even counseling didnt help.
The fact that there is actual physical abuse here (her hitting you) and false allegations being made,it may just be best to walk away from it. Your wife sounds like she did not forgive you for what you did,and if that is true,she should have never continued to be with you.

My biggest concern here is your children.Your wife sounds emotionally unstable right now,and this is very unhealthy for them to be witnessing. I would also sincerely hope she isnt telling them the lies about you that you hit her. If so,you need to get a divorce and custody of your kids.Otherwise she is setting dangerous examples for them to follow.
I really hope things get better for you. I'm sorry you're in this situation~but it really sounds like it is maybe too little too late to save this relationship.

Helen_uk
30th March 2007, 09:45 AM
Pandy

I'm really sorry that it has come to this, but I think you know that Annie has been struggling with her anger at your affair for some time.I guess this was the final showdown.

I was in a similar situation last year after I confided to my dad that Steve had pushed me after I'd discovered what had been going on with his txt affair, I took his SIM card and he wanted it back, I was standing at the top of the stairs , we were screaming at each other and when I wouldn't hand it back he pushed me. No damage done but it shook me up. Week or so later he left, disappeared and my dad came round, I was obviously upset and told him what had been going on. When Steve contacted me to say he was coming back , dad phoned the police and told him I was in danger of being assaulted.

What I'm trying to say is that it could easily have gone the same way the situation with you and Annie has gone, dad was trying to protect me and had I still been in that same frame of angry mind that Annie was in, I could no doubt have let the police arrest Steve . Luckily by the time they turned up I had calmed down somewhat. I didn't of course tell dad that when Steve had pushed me I'd simply started hitting him, it was a shock reaction.

Yes if you have suffered violence then you could counter accuse, but I don't see that it would help the situation, if what you say is true ( and I'm not saying I doubt it ) then you did invite her to hit you , to get it out of her system. Violence is never a good idea of course, but sometimes anger gets out of control.It's wrong, but it happens.

As you say without visual evidence of assault it's unlikely to go further, but what happens with your marriage now ? To me it doesn't sound as though either of you are ready to stay together , maybe it's time to take some time out ?

Helen

Ginger God
30th March 2007, 05:14 PM
I'm no angel but history is history. I'm desperately fighting the urge to make a similar complaint against my wife for her beating of me. As a school governor I hardly think it's appropriate. I also am very concerned about the coercion between her and her school colleagues - the community liaison officer was in no position to be getting involved in making false allegations and I'm also considering making a formal complaint about her involvement although I think that would just make things worse.

I couldn't take the children away from their mummy whose instability is only evident with me. But this is just way over the top. But I'm the one who feels threatened in our relationship most of the time these days.


Pandy...you are on a different planet mate...a similar complaint?

Sorry but you caused your wife and the mother of your kids and your kids the ultimate humiliation and as far as I am concerned you deserve to have your lights punched out without her suffering any recriminations.
Your marriage looks as if it is all over..time to make sure your kids are ok.

jo71
30th March 2007, 05:58 PM
Pandy, I think what Ginger is saying is that, as you admit, you've done enough damage to your wife...please don't make any formal complaints against her (unless you feel you or the children are in danger). That would be rubbing salt in a big gaping wound.
I pray you two get things worked out, but if that isn't possible, a break from each other may do you both a world of good.
Jo

Ginger God
30th March 2007, 06:48 PM
You may be right, which is why I readily gave her the opportunity. But nobody deserves to be locked up and potentially charged with a non-existent offence. Which is why I wouldn't do that.

I'd rather you didn't reply if you have nothing constructive to say, it's quite clear that you are whiter than white with nothing in-between that and black in your mind, and that you have difficulty understanding or accepting someone who completely accepts their responsibility and actions and tries to do something about it. You are simply no help so please keep your hands away from the keyboard.


Aw diddums..... rattle is certainly out the pram now sonny....

No I am not whiter than white but I never cheated on my wife or kids..you did..you are on a forum sunshine accept what comes at you..

Extra marital sex gets you in this mess............you blew it..:D

Raymond
30th March 2007, 09:36 PM
Pandy your extra marital affair was wrong. I don't need to tell you that, you know it yourself and you are sorry, which is a very good start. The real crux of the matter is has she forgiven you? Yes she has the right to walk away but she also has the choice to forgive you. Until you get over that hurdle I don't think things are going to move on. Ask for her forgiveness. If she doesn't forgive, where is the future?

You have done well in resisting the urge for revenge. I sense that your wife also has a lot of personal problems that she has brought into the marriage as you probably have as well. Some of what you said rings bells with the start of my marriage. You say you are now christians andthis means you can look to God for His help in your marriage and get marriage help.

We needed it on starting out. I had to rely on verses such as love your enemies to start with. Gradually with God's help you can work through these things and grow together in them. So hang on in there and be good to her. I reckon you can win her back in time if you believe that she's worth it, but don't take it personally everytime she expresses anger. My wife had to have a lot of help with this in the early days and seemed to have got through it all after a couple of years, with good counseling.

God bless you

Raymond

Raymond
31st March 2007, 10:25 AM
I understand what you are saying Pandy. What you did to her are grounds for divorce but what she did to you is not, however bad it was. The crucial thing again is has she forgiven you? Having personal faults is different from being unfaithful. Forgiveness and apologies need to operate in a loving marriage. I don't doubt your love for her but drawing attention to what she did to you isn't going to help your love (nor justify what you did) but set you against each other. Are you willing to forgive her if later on she sees that she was wrong? That might come months down the line as she begins to overcome her problems with your help in understanding and loving her. It seems to me she was acting out of hurt and desperately needs your assurance that you want to be a loving and faithful husband.

Right now you want to overlook her faults and concentrate in expressing your love for her as she will need to overlook your faults. We all need to grow and we don't need people harping on about faults which we are already painfully aware of. Let God bring up things as we are ready to deal with them.

All people are imperfect and need encouragement, not in their faults, but as people in their own worth.

Also Pandy try and deal with the sarcasm you have which I have noticed. That can be hurtful in a marriage. I know it's hard but you have to try.

Raymond

David H
31st March 2007, 11:24 AM
All people are imperfect and need encouragement, not in their faults, but as people in their own worth.

Also Pandy try and deal with the sarcasm you have which I have noticed. That can be hurtful in a marriage. I know it's hard but you have to try.

Raymond

Hi Raymond

I think Pandy would benefit from reading Dr Harley's stuff and embark upon "Plan A" and avoid and LB's (Lovebusters)

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3550_summary.html

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8113_ab.html

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi3400_lovebust.html

"Plan A" worked well for me -- but my (ex)partner was "cake-eating" ("fence-sitting") so Plan B is in operation.

David

Raymond
31st March 2007, 01:04 PM
Are you listening Pandy?

Raymond

Raymond
31st March 2007, 06:05 PM
O.K. Hope it works out

Raymond

David H
31st March 2007, 06:19 PM
So I must stop talking on here now because all this stuff just gets added to the armoury and I may even remove some of the replies I've made before they're catalogued and barcoded.

Pandy, please read the Dr Harley links I posted -- I assure you it works and it will make you feel better and give you some hope. IMO you need to do "Plan A" and avoid any LB's (lovebusters)

David

Pandy
31st March 2007, 06:37 PM
Oh God she's now saying she won't let me see the children.

Pandy
7th April 2007, 12:57 AM
Well things have moved on somewhat since last week. I get to see my children tomorrow, thank God. Although I was offered Sunday also that rug has been pulled away sadly.

Fortunately at the beginning of the week I remembered something crucial about the events of the Wednesday of disaster. I don't know if I already said but apparently this whole series of events came about because my elder daughter was upset at what I'd done, and this got to the community liaison officer at the school, etc etc. Or so my third party contact person was informed. I remembered that after the final confrontation at the back door when I said for the final time leave me alone and shook my fist, that my wife was in the kitchen with my daughter. When I said that she turned round to her, an 8-year-old, and said pointedly "see"!. Almost as if she told her what had happened from her point of view, had her final confrontation, and turned round as if proving a point!

So it is completely obvious that any upset was not because of what I'd done but what she'd been told of events by my wife. Thankfully the very nice policeman who has been dealing with me, and my solicitor, completely understood the implication.

But it's funny, it makes no difference to how I feel. I only want to be with my wife and family. I work, but there's no point if it's not for them. I love, but there's no point if it's not my wife. I am, but there is just no point even being if it's not with her and for her. I made the biggest mistake of my life last year and I have had simply the worst week and a half of my life without even being able to speak to any of them. I have nothing but utter respect for the incredible revenge she has wrought on me (with this hindsight completely pre-conceived and planned), and all I want is to show her that I am still here and always will be because I love them all with everything I have in me and I wish none of this had ever happened.

Anne22
7th April 2007, 03:47 AM
I really feel for both of you - I know how Annie is feeling - I too have found forgiveness difficult, but then for me it all moved onto a very different level when I found out that it wasnt the one night stands with a few women (including a close friend) I had to worry about but affair's- current for 5 years( just broken up!!!) and one prior to that for 3 years!!!!

I still feel there is hope for you two - I hope Annie can find it in herself to recover from this before it gets too nasty - she is such a strong woman underneath but all this tension and hurt has broken her down!!!

Keep loving her and showing her you care Pandy as I feel ' the light is still on at the end of the tunnel!!!'

Anne22 xx

Pandy
12th April 2007, 06:05 PM
My options are now extremely limited. Have been living alternately with a kind friend in my home town, but they can't have me permanently, and the office. Which is not comfortable or liveable. I've just been told that my bail is being extended to the 24th-26th from the 14th - almost another 2 weeks - apparently because they still want the CPS to make a decision on an alleged crime of assault where there is no evidence of such. During which time I still can't go home.

So I think I can't be continuing to work my butt off for someone who can do this and if it actually continues I'm going to give up my job and go back to Scotland. No income for me, no income for her. Simple. I can try to build my company while still not taking any "income". I'm sitting here working constantly to pay for the house and keep them in food but enough is enough. It just seems that this is revenge gone a bit too far. Or that it's some kind of delay to allow her to "make arrangements" for some kind of further action. She's lost her faith and her humanity at the same time. This all may have started as my fault but all I ever wanted was to be loved for who I was, not in spite of it.

Pandy
13th April 2007, 07:57 PM
I think it's quite clear now that our marriage is over. I wish it was in such a state that we could work together to sort out the way forward in the best way possible for the children and her, but she's sticking to her guns on attempting to prosecute me for a non-existent assault and denies that there was any embellishment of the charge which got me arrested in the first place. Quite sad.

Whether or not she felt threatened (and she certainly didn't look threatened in any way by what I did, with the argumentative sneer on her face) she thinks that that perceived threat is worthy of:

1) Arrest
2) Imprisonment
3) Criminal charges
4) A criminal record
5) Potential imprisonment
6) The inability to work due to 4)

I would think that the best thing to do would be to cut our losses, work together to solve the inherent difficulties in divorce, and go our separate ways with every consideration for our children's futures. I love her and since she's not happy this is what I want. I just don't understand how it's possible that an intelligent person can think anything else is either justified or sensible.

Oh well, we'll see what happens soon enough I suppose. Her silence on this forum since the events speaks volumes.

Ginger God
14th April 2007, 02:25 PM
Hey Pandy......

Bet you wish you had kept the old python in your trousers eh.......

PS

Stay in England mate Scotland is a lovely place without you.:eek:

Pandy
14th April 2007, 02:39 PM
Oh absolutely. That's the most sensible thing you've ever said.

I'm sure Scotland would survive, it doesn't look like you get out much anyway mate so you'd hardly notice.

Pandy
14th April 2007, 05:57 PM
What really gets me is that someone who can pull their 8-year-old daughter's hair and tell them to get to their f*cking room has the gall to try to get their children's father charged with an assault he didn't commit.

I have had just about enough of this bullsh1t.

Anne22
15th April 2007, 01:46 PM
Sorry Pandy but you need to learn about KARMA!

Anne22